Kathy, Lei, Mary-Ellen, John Fenton, Jennifer and Jennifer S in front.
John has traveled all over to try to help save Australia's Water from being contaminated and toxic. Toxic water causes illness and death to everything it comes into contact with. The Land is turned to a wasteland, the people become sick and lose any quality of life they knew before. This is the criminal reality of Coal Seam Gas Mining or mining gas from Coal Seams - CSG!
Wingham Brush [explored] (Photo credit: Bill Collison)
Have you seen Josh Fox's documentary "Gaslands"? If you have watched this then you most certainly have seen John Fenton. He is one of the farmers from that eyeopening documentary.
Tonight in Wingham he spoke to a packed crowd of people interested in finding out more truthful information from a fellow farmer than listening to anymore spin from companies and government lobbyists. These officials who stand to make a fortune in return for the decimation of the land and water for the people and their future are no longer to be trusted.
I heard so many stories of horror and sickness and lies my soul hurts again, and this has to be stopped and there is no quarter given. Australia's Water must be saved from a sure death.
I can stand alone by myself on the Bridge in Urunga NSW. The Pacific Highway is still going through the centre of town and so this has always been a favorite place of mine to go and stand with signs. I am so damaged by the government and their useless decisions around people that I have to do this so I stay sane. I am suffering so bad by all of this as it is like no one cares. Many are asleep
On the Bridge - Farms not Mines
The horns that were blown in support of this action were overwhelming and this gave me heart and each one that blew let me know I was not alone with how I was feeling, this is not another one of my scatty ideas. Government damage is what got me where I am so I have to do what helps where I can to survive this in tact in my psyche.
I made a song up using some of the catchy melody of 'What's Up' - 4 Non Blondes.
I took my sign out of my car
I said
you've gone too far
I said hey
WHATS GOING ON
I took my sign up on the Bridge
I said
Ive had enough of this
I said hey
Whats going on
I said HEY yay yay yay
YAY YAY YAY
I said HEY whats going on.
I held my sign above my head
coz my body
was full of Dread
and I said
Hey whats going on?
Farms not mines
is what it says
Coz your making this country
A big mess
I said Hey
Whats going ON?
I said Hey Hey Etc etc etc and on it goes!
Here are the lyrics of What's Up
Twenty-five years I'm alive here still
Trying to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination
I realized quickly when I knew I should
That the world was made up of this brotherhood of man
For whatever that means
And so I cry sometimes
When I'm lying in bed Just to get it all out
What's in my head
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar.
And so I wake in the morning
And I step outside
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
What's going on?
And I say: HEY! yeah yeaaah, HEY yeah yea
I said hey, what's going on?
And I say: HEY! yeah yeaaah, HEY yeah yea
I said hey, what's going on?
A Drilling rig drills for natural gas just west of the Wind River Range in the Wyoming Rockies (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
John Fenton from Wyoming is currently in the country on various speaking engagements trying his hardest to warn people what the end result will be if they do not heed his warning.
"Approximately 17,000 well pads and former drilling areas associated with oil
and natural gas production were identified in satellite images across a
30,000-square-mile region". 360.environment
This US Geophysical map shows where mining started around the 1900's and includes sites of the recent years of Csg Drilling. They say there are many more Csg wells than oil wells. Wyoming has the most intense drilling program and leads other states in the USA with Shale gas production. This fact alone tells me this state will be the most damaged environmentally.
The mapping of these impacts will determine how much impact on all ecosystems and the flora and fauna of the area have suffered due to the 100 year history of drilling in that state.
This Focuses on southwestern Wyoming because it not only has
some of the nation's largest natural gas reserves, but also because the
region has high-quality wildlife habitat and encompasses a major portion
of the country's remaining intact sagebrush steppe". 360.environment
The Wyoming Landscape Conservation
Initiative identified nearly 17,000 oil and gas well pad scars, shown in
blue and green, in southwest Wyoming. The scars date from around 1900
to 2009. (Map credit: U.S. Geological Survey)
These are the facts that John Fenton brings with him to tell the Australian people who are currently under the assault of the Government pressure to push the drilling through unabated.
With such overwhelming evidence and a hands on snapshot of what Aussies are letting themselves in for. To pursue this type of mining any further is absolute madness, and the Australian people who are damaged from this already demand to be heard by their government as citizens of this country.
To continue to ignore the damage that is already apparent to the water in all the areas already where drilling has occurred is just treasonous.
We need a commission inquiry into the corruption that has taken place to bring about this complex web of deception that reaches into both parties and many others in places of authority with Lobbying. Ex politicians in Mining CEO positions etc. Something is very wrong with this. Did they think the Australian People would not see this? Why do we pay people of this caliber large pensions forevermore, it is a ludicrous luxury the country can well do with out! End this now too.
Australian Minister for Defence Peter Reith meets with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld in the Pentagon. Reith and Rumsfeld are meeting to discuss a range of regional policy and security issues of interest to both nations. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Since 2009 Mr Reith has been a
regular commentator on the ABC's Drum TV and weekly Drum columnist, the
Bolt Report, occasionally Q&A, and a regular on Sky AM Agenda. He
is currently Chairman of the Gas Task Force looking at the gas industry
for the Victorian Government.
Mr Reith also
has a consultancy and advisory business and he sometimes speaks at
conferences and functions.
In my opinion he is mercenary, his opinion piece for the Drum Fracking Scare Campaigns threaten our prosperity seems like he has no intention of being truthful about this. Is this because of trade deals? I know its about greed and because we have a stupid bunch in government playing hard ball with the big boys.
This ex politician is participating in grubby stuff and the cards are tumbling as the Australian public put the picture together for themselves and choose not to adhere to his spin about running out of gas and scaremongering about impacts of protesters because they can see for themselves what the real story is.
These folk know they are not feral and they know they are good hardworking caring people. The government has continued to lie to the Australian public about the corrruption in high places that has made this all possible but slowly it is being investigated now. The Australian people deserve better. I recently wrote about Kerry Sibraa ex politician and Lobbyist to the government and here it seems that Peter Reith is the same and you can read who are all of his clientele because they are published on the government website. I also recently wrote recently about the issues with Csg Mining in the Northern Rivers and the Githabul people apposing the NSW Aboriginal Lands council PEL and decisions made behind closed doors without the consultation of all of the other Githabul people involved and Trevor Close would have been doing the deals with Peter Reith in these instances. This has caused a lot of trouble with division with other elders and now we see that Reith has his grubby hands all over this having the Lands Council on the books of his lobbying firm.
Peter Reith is very proud to be paid by the Victorian government to give them dodgy advise on Mining in their state. He gives the kind of advise that makes the path smooth for mining companies. He has been implicated in the Great Barrier Reef Dredge Mud Scandal as well as the NSWALC. Theiss is another suspect lot with a string of bad press and many other clientele who are wrapped in a scandalous web of deceptive deals mining and money .
This must be exposed to the public and the public should be made aware that their tax payers money is paying pensions to people who indirectly through a signature are making Australia's kids really sick with poisoning from methane, Toluene, Benzine etc.
BACK IN THE 90's
A full list of Reith’s clients is published on the government website.
Two major players in the coal seam gas industry are Reith’s clients: Thiess and the NSW Aboriginal Land Council.
- See more at:
http://nofibs.com.au/2013/11/01/lobbyists-public-commentary-reith-spotlight-mark-anning-1earthmedia-reports/#sthash.8n5jp35v.dpuf
A full list of Reith’s clients is published on the government website.
Two major players in the coal seam gas industry are Reith’s clients: Thiess and the NSW Aboriginal Land Council.
- See more at:
http://nofibs.com.au/2013/11/01/lobbyists-public-commentary-reith-spotlight-mark-anning-1earthmedia-reports/#sthash.8n5jp35v.dpuf
He was a key figure in Australian politics throughout the 1990’s promoting economic
reform in taxation and labour market policies and then played a major role in
the implementation of the Howard Government’s reform agenda after its initial
election win in 1996.
PRESENTLY : Former Howard government minister Peter Reith encourages Australians to
take a risk with coal seam gas. He justifies the risk by saying: ''There
is no proven case of fracturing fluid, or hydrocarbons produced by
fracturing, diffusing from the fractured zone into an aquifer.''
Anne Thompson leading one of the Franklin Horses heading to Canberra *
Anne Thompson has worked tirelessly against the Gas coming into the Northern Rivers, she has been instrumental in organizing fund raising situations to fund studies on the water etc around Tara in Queensland where many families are just plain sick. We all know it is because of the Gas but we have to prove this with independent testing of the water and this is an expensive exercise to say the least. Our governments should be heading up this in the favor of the people but instead they favor the large corporations putting profit before people.
Anne said: "Some of you might have seen the following comment in Saturday's Weekend
Star, by someone who frequently uses the name 'Because Im Batman.'
In any
case I am sure you will be interested to read 'Batman's' query and my
letter of response to the Northern Star with a copy to the Echo
"This time last year the No Gas Rig Gig raised $10000 to test Brian Monk's children and grandchildren for the effects of CSG. Where are those results? What
happened to the money? It does not take one year for results. Gasgield
Free Northern Rivers please explain? Because Im Batman, The Risk"
Batman as he was depicted in Batman: The Animated Series (1992–1995) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Letter to the Editor.
In response to the query by
someone calling himself ‘BecauseimBatman’ (W/E Star 22/2/14)as to the
money raised for health testing of the people up in Tara and Kogan on
the Western Darling Downs where families are surrounded by gas fields, I
have just done a trip up there as part of a committee administering
these funds.
This is the 5th trip I have made for various
reasons and each time the situation gets more dire. People are getting
sicker and now they are mostly out of water. In desperation some have
used their dam water for bathing, but this causes rashes as does bore
water. Most drinking water has to be bought. When it rains some will
need reverse osmosis filters because of contaminants. Mysterious
substances cover surfaces and obviously get washed into water tanks. (As
per attachment which shows the substance on a corrugated roof and where
it has drained into the gutter and caused corrosion.)
Brian
Monk was unable to come to the meeting as he was too unwell, but he
tells me that all residents who have been tested to date, including
himself, have shown chemicals of concern in their urine, with the
exception of one. The samples contained Hippuric acid (the main
metabolite of Toluene)along with varying combinations of phenol, cresol,
PAH and methyl ethyl ketone. Tank water testing (which was funded from
another source)in some cases showed extremely acidic pH and concerning
levels of heavy metals as well as radio-activity. All these chemicals
Brian Monk says are linked to gas extraction and can clearly be linked
to the neurological condition that his little grandson suffers from. It
is also in keeping with other symptoms suffered by many of the children,
such as bleeding noses, eye irritation and breathing difficulties etc.
Annette and Brian with GFK back
The testing is ongoing and takes time. When people are sick, the last
thing they want to do is travel for hours to be tested, bearing in mind
the extreme distances out there. It was decided at last Tuesday’s
meeting that what funds are left should also be used for purchasing RO
filters for tank water and for the cost of testing the water. Funds
can also be used for buying tanked water from Chinchilla, although
there is resistance to this because gas industry produced water is
pumped into the weir – even if it is treated.
I hope this
information puts Mr Batman’s mind at rest, but if not, then please feel
free to continue some independent testing – something that the industry
and the Queensland Health Dept. do not seem keen to do.
The Franklins set off from Sth Grafton with nine horses and rode to Canberra to tell the politicians Water is the most precious resource. Only the Greens and Bob Katter received them. It was a heroic effort by the entire team. It was hardly reported in the flat earth media. Orders from above no doubt. Yes I think they are told NOT TO REPORT!
The Franklin's Woop Woop March arrives at Parliament House Canberra
Gloucester is awaiting the decision on whether AGL can
start fracking 300m from family homes. AGL want to start
fracking as soon as possible.
The following list the fines, breaches of
license and investigations by the NSW EPA Environmental Protection Agency
against coal seam gas company AGL in 2013:
AGL fined for NOx exceedence
19 December 2013 The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) has issued AGL
operations in Camden with a fine of $1,500 and an official caution for exceeding
air pollutant, oxides of nitrogen (NOx) concentrations limits on two occasions
in August this year.
The EPA’s Chief Environmental Regulator, Mark Gifford said that AGL had
self-reported the two incidents to the EPA.
“AGL holds an Environment Protection Licence (EPL) issued by the EPA for the
Rosalind Park Gas Plant which forms part of the Camden Gas Scheme.
“AGL is required to continuously monitor emissions from its three gas
compression engines. They are also required to publish emission data on a
regular basis.
“Emissions at the Camden site are monitored by three onsite Continuous Emission
Monitoring System (CEMS) units and routine independent stack testing.
“In August and September this year the EPA received two incident reports from
AGL for breaches of NOx concentration limits.
“The first exceedence occurred on 4 August and the second on 13 August. AGL has
told the EPA that they were only made aware of the 13 August exceedence on
September 6 when they received their monthly report of the CEMS from the company
that undertakes the monitoring.
“The EPA has investigated the incidents and has determined that AGL failed to
maintain its equipment in a proper and efficient condition as required under the
EPL.
“As soon as AGL became aware of the incidents, it reported them immediately to
the EPA, investigated the causes of the incidents and took action including the
shut-down of equipment.
“AGL has also adopted corrective actions aimed at preventing a recurrence
including more frequent verification of monitoring systems used for compliance
purposes and the automatic shutdown of a gas compression engine if it goes into
fault.
“Whilst the exceedences were small and of short duration and did not cause a
significant impact on the environment, the EPA takes all non-compliances
seriously”, said Mr Gifford
11 September 2013 - The Environment Protection Authority (EPA) is investigating
potential emissions breaches from the AGL Rosalind Park site in August that were
reported to the EPA yesterday.
The incidents relate to three minor ex-cessions of the nitrogen oxide
concentration limits by 1mg, 5mg and 10mg per cubic metre, on August 13 2013
between 5am and 8am.
AGL has told the EPA that they were only made aware of the ex-cessions on
September 6 when they received their monthly report of the Continuous Emissions
Monitoring System from the off-site monitoring company.
While it does not appear that exceedences of this type would have resulted in
any environmental or health concern, the EPA is very concerned about the AGL
control systems which did not activate an alarm in place for immediate awareness
of the issue by the company.
The EPA has directed AGL to provide a full written report on the ex-cessions
within 7 days.
The EPA is also investigating a separate nitrogen oxide exceedence that was
reported on August 5
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AGL signs an Enforceable Undertaking to
address licence non-compliances
9 August 2013 - The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) has considered
and agreed to a proposal from AGL for an Enforceable Undertaking (EU).
Investigations by the EPA indicated that
AGL had not complied with several EnvironmentProtection Licence (EPL)
conditions in relation to the continuous monitoring of air emissions between
2009 to 2012.
The EPA’s Chief Environmental Regulator, Mark Gifford said the licence
non-compliances were first reported to EPA by AGL in Mid 2012 when the EPA
tightened laws which required companies to publicly report all monitoring data
collected under an EPL.
The licence non-compliances relate to failure to maintain and operate
equipment; failure to continuously monitor emissions; and failure to meet proper
sampling requirements to monitor concentrations of pollutants discharged.
The EPA considers an EU is an appropriate enforcement response in this instance
rather than prosecution because it will achieve an effective and long term
resolution and more directly benefits the environment and community.
AGL holds an Environment Protection Licence issued by the EPA for the Rosalind
Park Gas Plant which forms part of the Camden Gas Scheme.
AGL is required to continuously monitor and report on their emissions. Whilst
full continuous monitoring for Nitrogen Oxides did not occur between 2009 and
2012, quarterly stack testing was conducted in accordance with the EPL. The
quarterly results show compliance with the tight licence limits.
AGL has stated that the cause was due to oversight combined with a lack of
understanding by staff. AGL has already implemented various measures to prevent
a recurrence.
Whilst the AGL non-compliance with licence conditions did not cause a
significant impact on the environment, it is vital that the community and
government have accurate and reliable information about its emissions.
The EU is a public and legally binding written agreement to address poor
conduct put forward by a Company to the regulator as an alternative to
prosecution. The EU recognises that AGL has taken active responsibility for the
offence and implemented all necessary measures to address licence breaches.
The EU contains a detailed description of the non-compliances that concerned the
EPA, AGL’s acknowledgement of these and the actions taken to address the licence
non-compliances. These actions include the installation of new air monitoring
equipment, a detailed review of air monitoring requirements and changes to
reporting and auditing systems.
The EU requires AGL to pay $150,000 to a “Love Your Lagoons” environmental
education and management project in the local area that will be implemented by
the University of Western Sydney.
AGL will also pay the EPA’s investigation and
legal costs totalling $10,000.
These payments are over and above the costs to AGL to bring the premises back into compliance with licence requirements.
The environmental enhancement component of the EU was proposed by AGL and
developed in consultation with the AGL Community Consultative Committee.
The EPA takes all non-compliances seriously and our regulatory decisions are
guided by the principles outlined in the EPA Prosecution Guidelines. A copy of the AGL EU can be viewed on the EPA Public Register at the following
address http://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/resources/prpoeo/undertakingEPA0011.pdf
AGL fined for failing to report Air
Emission Monitoring data
_______________________________________
15 July 2013 - The NSW Environment Protection Authority (EPA) has fined AGL
$1,000 for failing to publish monitoring data under “community right to know”
requirements of the Protection of the Environment Operations Act 1997.
The EPA’s Chief Environmental Regulator, Mark Gifford said the intent of these
requirements is to improve the public’s access to information about the
environmental performance of licensed facilities.
“AGL holds an Environment Protection Licence issued by the EPA for the Rosalind
Park Gas Plant which forms part of the Camden Gas Scheme.”
“AGL is required to obtain and publish emission data from its three gas
compression engines, from onsite Continuous Emission Monitoring System (CEMS)
units and routine independent stack testing.
“When EPA reviewed the AGL website on 6 June 2013, the last CEMS data was for
the month of January 2013. No CEMS data was published for the months of
February, March and April 2013.
“The EPA requires a monthly summary of the CEMS data to be published on the
company’s website within 14 days of the last data being obtained for that month.
“
“Once notified, AGL immediately published the data. The data indicates that
emissions were not above the limits permitted by its Environment Protection
Licence.”
The EPA takes all non-compliances seriously and our regulatory decisions are
guided by the principles outlined in the EPA Prosecution Guidelines.
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AGL fined for breach of Licence
12 March 2013 - The NSW Environment Protection Authority has fined AGL $1,500
for breaching its licence conditions at its Rosalind Park Gas Treatment Plant
after emissions of nitrogen oxides (NOx) were recorded above limits permitted by
its Environment Protection Licence.
The EPA’s Chief Environmental Regulator, Mark Gifford said AGL holds an
Environment Protection Licence issued by the EPA for the Rosalind Park Gas
Treatment Plant which forms part of the Camden Gas Scheme.
“The licence requires that the concentration of nitrogen oxides that can be
emitted from AGL’s gas compressor engines must not exceed 461 mg/m3 at any time
(based on an hourly average).
“AGL recorded exceedances of the NOx emission limit from onsite gas compressor
engines during September, November and December 2012. The highest hourly average
reported for each month was 587 mg/m3 in September, 896 mg/m3 in November and
578mg/m3 in December.
“The EPA does not consider these exceedences caused significant harm to the
surrounding community or environment.
“AGL self-reported the incidents to the EPA and the emission monitoring data,
including the exceedances, were published on the AGL website as required by the
EPA. AGL also investigated the cause of the exceedences and promptly fixed the
equipment.”
The EPA takes all non-compliances seriously and our regulatory decisions are
guided by the principles outlined in the EPA Prosecution Guidelines.
The EPA is separately investigating AGL at Camden for failing to continuously
monitor NOx emissions from its gas compressor engines between 2009 and 2012.
This licence breach was reported by AGL to the EPA in July 2012. The EPA’s
regulatory response will be made public shortly when the process is complete.
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Menangle Park AGL coal seam gas well
flooded after recent rains
1 March 2013 - The NSW Environment Protection Authority’s (EPAs) Chief
Environmental Regulator, Mark Gifford, has confirmed that the AGL site at
Menangle Park has been again been subjected to heavy rains but the community can
be reassured that the flooding does not pose a risk to the environment.
“AGL advised the EPA of the flooding of one of its gas production wells at
Menangle Park following heavy rainfall,” Mr Gifford said.
“AGL’s planning approval includes conditions which specifically address flooding
due to the wells’ sensitive location, including the requirement for a Flood
Management Plan.
“These site management measures require AGL to take precautions to prevent any
environmental impacts and to secure the site to prior to flooding occurring.
“AGL's wells can be shut remotely and are designed to be safe even if submerged
underwater.
“The EPA is confident that the AGL Menangle Park site was appropriately secured
during flood events, and that no contaminants, including any stored chemicals,
could have moved off the site.
“AGL has done the right thing by reporting the flooding to the EPA.
”The EPA will continue to ensure that AGL maintains the environmental
performance of its Menangle site to a high standard
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In 2009/2010 the NSW government and the
taxpayers wre forced to cover a $100 million bill to clean up toxic waste at the
former Australian Gas Light Company gasworks site in Barangaroo, Darling Harbour, Sydney city.
AGL Gasworks, 30-38 Hickson Road Millers Point
Sydney
The EPA believes that the site is contaminated with gasworks waste and
particularly waste tar as a result of the previous use of the site as a gasworks
plant.
The chemical composition of gasworks waste
includes the following substances (“the contaminants”): polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons (PAHs); benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylenes (BTEX); total
petroleum hydrocarbons (TPHs); ammonia; phenol and cyanide.
According to state government memos
obtained by the SMH, the chemicals have spread into Darling Harbour and to
residential blocks and pose a ''serious risk of harm to human health''.
Jemena acquired assets of the former AGL
from another entity after 2006, when the current AGL Energy Limited was formed
as a separate company not involved in this dispute.
Jarmbi Githabul and friends (Photo credit: lockthegate)
Gas mining divides Githanbul people
By Elloise Farrow Smith and Joanne Shoebridge
The gas industry is dividing an indigenous community on the north coast.
The chairman of the Githabul Nation Aboriginal
Corporation and mining consultant Trevor Close says gas represents big
opportunities for local indigenous people.
"The gas company would put money into a trust fund that would be used
for language programs, education programs, scholarships, but most of
all training the young Bundjalung people in how to engage in the natural
gas industry in New South Wales.
"If there was a gas industry in New South Wales, mainly in like the
Northern Rivers area, I predict it would employ about 30,000 people in
the local region".
Mr Close says consumers across the state would benefit.
"The Githabul people, we're a Christian community and we hate to see
other families across New South Wales suffer with high electricity
prices and there was a way we could come together with a company, a good
gas company like Metgasco, to reduce the cost of living in the Northern
Rivers of New South Wales.
"I'm sure that the Githabul elders and myself as the chairman of the corporation would support that proposal."
But Githabul elder Aunty Gloria Williams says many in the community do not share the chairman's view.
She says Githabul people are custodians of the land and will be blamed for what happens to it.
"We're the ones that's made to look at like a crime on our own
country when things go wrong and it will go wrong because it's gone
wrong everywhere else.
"It will go wrong here on Githabul country as it did in all the other
countries; over in America, up in Tara, it will go wrong here and then
you know what, it will be Githabul who will be made to look like the
crime".
Aunty Gloria says traditional practices could be threatened by a gas mining industry.
"We still practise our traditional methods of hunting, fishing and
gathering and we do this on a regular basis and we believe the gas is
going to destroy our waterways, destroy our lands and destroy us as a
people.
"Once you open up one avenue it will open up all the other gas pipes to come in and mine the hell out of our country", she said.
"The main reason that most of us agreed to native title is that we
thought that we were getting the land back so that we could protect it
and maintain it, in it's most natural form.
"Our spirituality lays in the land, this is an act of genocide, it's
act of killing our spirituality....I mean sure we get some dollars out
of it but how long is that going to last".
Githabul Elder Aunty Gloria Williams told ABC North Coast that the
Githabul Nation Aboriginal Corporation was under investigation by the
Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations (ORIC).
ORIC issued a statement to ABC North Coast: " ORIC's practice is not
to confirm or deny whether a complaint has been received or if a
corporation is under investigation. ORIC only comments on outcomes of
regulatory action, which is available on our website at www.oric.gov.au
."
A document posted on the ORIC website shows two auditors were
appointed in December 2013 to investigate the finances of the
corporation.
Kay Phillips-SandersMary
after a lot of medication it agrees with me unlike other ones and I'm
not going of it. I don't have breast cancer and I have been on it for
years.
Mary-Ellen PetersAROPAX
is linked to other elements of ongoing health problems as well, I
remember reading a couple of years back.. SSRI's fk with people full
stop. I am glad your are in super health.. perhaps you are the
exception here as there always are exceptions.
Kay Phillips-SandersI'm
also aware of that fact but I choose to stay on it. It's better than
being so bloody depressed you want to kill yourself, I'm aware about it
all I check the pills the doctors give me.
Kay Phillips-SandersMary
I went of the drug and nearly lost my life through stupidity so I have
no intention of going through that again as it takes a month to get into
your system. Explain to me how my sister was veg. didn't smoke and
lived a healthy life style but still got cancer so did my gran the same
one. Look at all the things they say causes cancer my god the list will
go on and on.
Mary-Ellen PetersYes
a lot of people have taken their own lives trying to free themselves
from the chemical handcuffs that big pharma have engineered to control a
large number of the population. This is a life sentence!
Kay Phillips-SandersWell
all I can say is good on big pharma or I wouldn't be here, just like my
brother. It's saving my life and makes me think if I did anything
stupid the hurt it would cause other and don't be so cruel in your
comment. You haven't been through anything like I have and I was never
on it until after my daughter and mum died 3 months apart. Thank you
very much, you wouldn't like to have the nightmares I used to have.
Kay Phillips-SandersOh! By the way Kevin wasn't on anything and look what happened to him.
Mary-Ellen PetersNo
Kay I have enough nightmares of my own ...and I choose to stand up
against those terrors with out chemical handcuffs.. My PTSD is
multifaceted and part of the damage to my psyche by others enables me to
see things from a perspective that is unique, that is a given and it
creates a passion to speak out on all injustices that have effected me.
One of them is about trying to control my environment because badly
abused children have no control over their circumstances ie environment
and desire to have fairness prevail. Having a number done on people by
big pharma .. big Gas and Big Bullshit is not my idea of the kind of
world we all deserve as humans, that is control! I do not wish to be
controlled because I desire to do no harm.
Kay Phillips-SandersI'm
not controlled by anyone Mary, I had a hash childhood called the
stockwhip regularly, so don't tell me, mum was on Thyroxin, I think that
was the one, that kept her alive. Go of the dope and I'm not being
nasty saying that, I know from experience it kills people feelings in
other ways. So don't tell me I'm under control of chemical handcuffs.
You have no idea, there is also nothing wrong with my psyche, I would
say what I have seen and experienced it higher than yours. Also no one
in this world is unique so that is rubbish
Mary-Ellen PetersIts
not a competition, it is an observation of myself and my own situation,
which is my perception. Guess what? Everyone has a unique one of
those. No two people are the same.
Kay Phillips-SandersGlad
you said that but as I said I need to be on those tablets for my own
protection. You have no idea of my life like a lot of my close friends
do so don't judge that is all I'm asking we all have a choice and make
our own decisions for what is best. Might not always be right but it a
learning curve, that a part of life I'm afraid. If and I say if I get
cancer then it's gods will. I should of been dead when I was 5 yrs of
age but I'm not I survived when I shouldn't of had. Also had a spinal
tap without pain killers back in those days, I have the mark on my back
to prove it and have never forgotten what that pain was like. I'm
talking the old days here.
Mary-Ellen PetersScience
is catching up and it is now documented that we have an ENDOCANNABINOID
System as part of our endocrine system (hormones) Cannabis is not evil
as the evangelical government propaganda has purported. Blindly
spreading misnomers has been part of their MO for the last 1700 years as
well. So its to be expected... The situation when it changes with
this will happen quickly. I think its overdue.
Mary-Ellen PetersI
had a lumbar puncture too (spinal tap) in 1976 . . that was bad enough
although you could smoke in hospital beds in those days.. I remember!
I had nearly died 3 times by the time I was 7 years old... Malnutrition
and two counts of drowning, then a black snake curled up in my playpen
so that was prolly a little dodgy as well, I have no idea what a real
family is.. having been abandoned at four months of age.
Kay Phillips-SandersWell
that's funny as it was America who ordered Australia to destroy it
after world war 2. It is dangerous to the young who smoke until their
brain has fully grown, I have seen that look at half of Bellingen, they
walk around like they are out of this world.
We need medication in this world and they are getting close to finding
cures for a number of things. Now for the other answer for someone who
was abandoned at the age of four mothers sweetie you seem contradict
yourself. What was the cause of your near death.
Mary-Ellen PetersI
like to think of it like this : I have unusual emotional responses,
therefore I am extraordinary.. lol. They are using a sacred plant to
find a short cut to fun thats why, this plant teaches you things and if
you dont heed the lessons I suppose it would be fair to say their are
consequences as there is with everything we choose in life.
Kay Phillips-SandersNope can't agree with that sorry, you still didn't answer my question.
Kay Phillips-SandersWe can all be emotional at times it's part of life and that is a fact
Mary-Ellen PetersEmotion
is what is holding the illusion together ... the Universe is mental,
held in the mind of the all and the ALL is ALL there is!
Kay Phillips-SandersYour
talking like you have manic depression or bipolar Mary, there is a god
out there, we are spirits trapped in a physical body and when we die we
leave and go onto another plain until we are ready to come back. I know
that for sure.
Kay Phillips-SandersI can swear on this as I have been there and seen for myself it helped me a bit when my sister died.
Mary-Ellen PetersMy
mother bathed me and left me in the middle of the bed and she left ... I
was four months old. My sister was 2 years old ... she drank what
bottles i did get forced on my as until then I was breastfed and didn't
know what a bottle was.. I was then very
weak and not well and was diagnosed with malnutrition mainly my own
fault I should have known to drink the bottles at FOUR MONTHS lol! I
drowned at the Stanthorpe pool with Kay looking after me and again with
Kay looking after I nearly drowned at Coolangatta.. my near deaths
were a 12 when I tried to take my own life because be physically abused
so much had taken its toll and then I was taken hostage ... I could keep
elaborating. I had a touch and go situation with septicemia which led
me to have major micro surgery and years on IVF ... I was burnt and in
hosp for 3 months in Ipswich .. Then there was John lol! I almost died
giving birth to Matilda we were both very close to death and she was a
miracle as all other babies in her circumstance have serious issues.. i
am glad she fought hard.
Mary-Ellen PetersI
lived on the street ...I lost the sight in my eyes when I was 15 for 6
weeks and was in the Royal when Kay found me then I got
Meningitis(reason for lumbar puncture) I have fought hard to be who I
am and to be alive and to be able to speak from a perspective
that is entirely unique, I have put into the communities I have lived
in. I have made mistakes and learned many valuable lessons that others
could only dream about... Some I won't elaborate on here but valuable
no less even through the trauma. The trauma is the fire that refines a
persons character. I usually tell people straight up these days ...
saves the shock of finding out I see around corners and that is a unique
gift.
Kay Phillips-SandersI'm
sorry to hear that but it is so strange not being able to feed out of a
bottle with a teat on the end. Mine was from encephalitis you can look
that up and I still remember when I collapsed out side this little
church on the way home, it had white pebbles
all over the yard no grass. Mum gave me a chocolate freckle and I
couldn't swallow it and she said I went into a coma in the back of an
ambulance. She told me she would never go in and ambulance again and she
never did. This happen for a reason it gave me a lot of common sense as
I wasn't the brightest child in the school only being in a B class but
it was better than C I guess.
Kay Phillips-SandersMaybe
that is why we can debate on different things it give one something to
think about from a different angle I guess anyway I'm off to bed.
Goodnight, dream about the angles.
Mary-Ellen PetersI
was taken away and abandoned again when I was 12 when I became a ward
of the state. So the story wasn't pretty and many who walked in my
footsteps are not alive to tell the story and the ones who are, I find
are very unique characters indeed, because they have succeeded.
Mary-Ellen PetersGod
is still the supreme creator as I always saw my perception of God to be
but its been a heck of a long journey of enlightenment to find the
crucible of truth. The Seven principals of truth that act as keys to
understanding all of the paradoxes I have
faced in life and tried to find out why... I am quite enthusiastic
about this, it makes the reason for being here no matter what the pain, a
learning experience day after day.
Mary-Ellen PetersThe
angles ... I love the angles ---> angles of light that are
symbolised in our numerals. So fascinating. good Night and sweet
dreams
Mary-Ellen Peterson
TRUTH: Every truth is only half true. Every truth has its absolute
truth and its relative truth, but there is a difference between absolute
truth and relative truth and they often contradict each-other. The key
to understanding the great teachers and spiritual leaders of the past is
being able to discern when they are speaking from an absolute
perspective of a relative perspective. The relative truth about the
nature of reality, the truth we experience and are familiar with, is
that the universe is very real and physical place, and it is true
statement. But the absolute truth, experienced by what we would call
God, is that the universe IS a mental construction existing only within
the realms of consciousness, and this is also a true statement despite
their contradiction. Many people get lost in half truths, by not
understanding the difference between absolute and relative truth. It's
about finding the middle path and being aware of both the absolute and
relative.
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